Saturday, August 4, 2007

Florida's Service Animal Laws

Here's a couple of key provisions from Chapter 413, Florida Statutes, governing the rights of individuals with disabilities to use service animals in Florida:

Rights of an individual with a disability; use of a service animal; discrimination in public employment or housing accommodations; penalties.

Interference with or injury to a service animal; penalties; restitution

67 comments:

wuff said...

Well there are some issues I think that the public (and those that have businesses) need some help with. When these people access a place with a service animal what kind of paper work are they required to have? I have seen a lot of stuff that looked pretty fake to me. Do they need an ID card, paper work - both? (letter, document, etc.)? Does it have to have a doctor's signature, a stamp, a seal, an ID or registration number or water mark? Or maybe a combination of these things. Just because the animal has a vest or tag does not mean it's legitimate. What organization or agency can you call to verify that their paper work is real? I am always glad to help those in need but when you get dead beats and fakers that leech off the system it makes it hard for all.

Heather said...

Actually, per the ADA laws, ID card, paper work, doctor's signature, a stamp, a seal, an ID or registration number and water mark are NOT required. Nor are service vests and patches by law.

A LOT of disabilities are "invisible" ie: epililepsy, diabetes, severe migraines, etc and dogs are used for alerting their partners to impending episodes and provide services during an attack. I myself use a Migraine alert dog. He tells me an hour or so before the pain hits which completely incapacitates me for 6-12 hours (on a good day). I appear perfectly "normal" until these attacks hit in which case I experience dizziness, lack of coordination, light/sound/smell sensitivity, nausea and vomiting, etc. Not only does my service dog alert me that I have one coming, once one hits, he helps get me to a safe location to wait out the worst of my medication side effects (unfortunately can't take them until the pain hits) which can consist of mobility assistance (I am not capable of keeping my balance when one hits), retrieving anything I drop as lose my balance easily, helping me get back up when I do fall, and getting me to a quiet location/bathroom area. Before I had his assistance I restricted myself to being nowhere further than a 15 min drive from home when I was alone "just in case". Now I can go out on my own and actually live a semi-normal life.

An actual service dog is best identified by behaviour of both handler AND dog. Both will be well behaved in public whereas "pets" may not be. Service dogs are trained to be seen and not heard. Just because we don't all look disabled doesn't mean there's not more going on behind the scenes than you may be aware of.

Fiona said...

Is legislation pending requiring that a 'service' animal be identifiable? With so many people owning 'pocket dogs' and feeling that they should be able to take them everywhere, including grocery stores and restaurants, surely it is reasonable to identify an animal as one that serves a special need. Either a tag issued by the ADA or a jacket.

Blu said...

These laws in Florida are to liberal and narrow mined in regards to helping those over seeing things like health, safety and security. A friend of my brother’s lost his doorman job because of this loosely poorly written law. Not because he kept someone from coming into where he worked but because he let some people in saying they had service dogs. Which later was found out to be untrue when one made a mess in the lobby floor and another attacked a real service dog weeks later. They told him those very words of “don’t have to show you anything” bull. Other cases; I saw a guard at the mall one day observe a couple come into the place with what looked more like a mutt or bull type dog rather than what one would call a service dog. He asked them what kind of service dog do they have. The guy did not answer right away and then said they had the dog because they where “unemployed”. He gave the guard a business card stating that the dog was a service dog. The security guard kindly told him they do not issue service dogs to people that do not have jobs and only for medical or related handicaps. The man started to get hostile and threatened to sue and call the service animal foundation, yada, yada. After a few minutes of no success the guard called the police who arrived, concluded the guy was defrauding the public under a false pretense of the service animal’s law. What happened is this time the law favored the other person and the guy with the so called service animal went to jail. In a central food store in Florida a couple made fake papers and a harness with vest for their dog. They would come into the store show the papers and they (the owners) would see the vest and let them in. After some susipcious activity they watched the couple to later catch them stealing food by putting it in pouches fitted into the dogs vest. When the police arrived they found out the papers where fake and the dog of course not a service animal. This goes on a great deal in this country and is getting worse. So sorry these laws need to be better detailed and written to allow those who own, operate or control establishments the right to challenge those who state they have a service animal. The way these laws are now I could take my gerbil into a place and say it’s a service animal.

Scott L said...

Does a residential substance abuse center need to allow a patient with fibromyalgia a service dog in the facility?

Scott L said...

Does a residential substance abuse center need to allow a patient with fibromyalgia a service dog in the facility?

TIGER said...

People need to have a reality check when they dont know what they are talking about, Service Dogs do not need any certification or ids, the person that has a service dog needs to be disabled, any disability, from migraines to lack of sight, hearing, or balance, the list goes on, Federal Law is the Higharchy and prevails over all State Laws, and the Disability Act of 1990 protects all people with disabilities from the people that are prejudicial and scared of reality. So you dont need fancy certificates showing id of dog, just that the person whom uses the service dog must have a disability period. And a reality check is that person and dog may go into anyplace in the United States or Abroad and use that establishment anytime. So google before your talk and you may be surprised at what you find. And yes there are stupid ignorant people out there that try to abuse the system and they should be put in jail but remember the rest of the disabled people are not faking there disabilities. Thank you for reading and have a great day. Tiger

jack said...

I want to start with the fact that I am disabled. I am appalled at the fact that many people are abusing the service animal laws. I would happily carry a card/ID that identified my animal as a service animal. I carry a drivers license to drive, a retired military ID to access military establishments, credit cards to purchase things, a library card, etc. What is the issue with people not wanting to carry an ID for a service animal. I want an ID system in place. I have seen many people abuse this law for their own self-centered personal I'm better than you and I get to do what ever I want because you can't do anything. I want to see them punished. This was set up to help those who are disabled not provide for those hackers. I have seen so many people use these laws and other like them. The kids take grandma's car and use her disabled placard because they want to park closer to the door. Meanwhile someone who is actually disable has to wait or park farther out because there are no disabled spaces open. Yes this happens a lot. The ID system would also raise awareness of service animals. Anyone with a disablity could easily get a doctors note for registering their service animal. Watching the animal until it does something that a service dog should not do like bite someone like a little child. Yes, this happened where I work. Is a little late for that child who needed 5 stitches. How about a little common sense. 'This note is especially for TIGER.' Some of us know and have googled the issue we are asking for a change to the system. There is no prejudice or fear of reality in this. It appears that you have suffered from some of that but a desire for registration for service animals is not about those things. It is about making sure those of us with disablities continue to have the access we need for life.

jx8870 said...

I am training a service dog.I have read the service animals do not id or vest. I have a vest for my dog, but one day, not feeling well, forgot the vest was not in my car. After shopping at a store the dog and I shop often, the store manager approched me(at least 12ft away) to announce animals are not permitted in the store, I told him the dog was a service animal. The manager then loudly (in a not so nice tone) announced the dog is supposed to wear ID or a vest. I informed him I has forgetten the vest and would not happen again. Should I have told him animals in service are not required id or vest?

2DogMom said...

I have TWO Service Animals, as one does things that the other dogs cannot due to their small stature. One dog is 5 lbs and the other is 8 lbs -however, they BOTH do work for me, each differently. I carry them with vests with patches, have their cards laminated and hanging from me or them at ALL times, etc and STILL get harassed non-stop. My main gripe is someone telling me that my dogs must be on a leash at ALL times while we are a beach, park, etc. That defeats the purpose of me having metal rods in my back and not being able to bend over to unleash them when I need them to retrieve something and jump up and bring it to me. I battle this non-stop. Nowhere in the laws does it state that a service animal MUST be harnassed, leashed, etc - merely under control and mine are at all times. Anyone else having such a time? I live in Vegas, however, spend months at a time in FL with my elderly Father and have a TOUGH, TOUGH time here with my dogs. I also carry wallet cards, with their photos, Certification Numbers, etc and STILL get hassled. They are in their carriers from which they can jump safely 95% of the time, but there are locations where they are better used "free" for me to retrieve items and therefore not on a leash or in their carriers. Public education is necessary in the State of Florida, any suggestions. I spend at least 1 hour a day when I am out educating people who want to stop and PET my dogs because they are small and "cute" and am truly so tired of telling people that they are "working" despite their patches telling people that they are working and NOT TO PET! Yikes. Their carriers are covered with patches, IDs, statements such as DO NOT PET, I'M WORKING yet it just doesn't sink into people. No, they are not shepherds and I am not blind; open your minds people - service animals do MANY, MANY other jobs for people such as detect cancer, seizure dogs, etc. Public education is critical, but should the disabled handler have to do it non-stop?

Captain Pat said...

I just purchased a Condo. In the listing it said the Association must approve Pet. My real estate agent told the association I had a Service Dog it is not a pet. They wanted to know how much does it weight he said 67 lbs. The Association said NO WAY. That if I bring her he will contact his attorney. I am still buying the condo With my Service Dog. I Just Don't Want Any Troble. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

Jordan said...

For Captain Pat...
I am the in the same boat, I happen to have a pitbull that is being certified as a service dog and before he was certified he was not allowed to live here simply because he is a pitbull. Can they say no to me if he is certified now??? please help! I dont want to lose my service dog. and If they cannot say now and they still do what do i do?

Ray said...

I am a 100% disable veteran that needs to have a service dog . And I use her like you would use your legs witch mine do not work. And if I saw a someone with a pitbull I just could not take a chance to be near that dog We are trained to forsee what lays ahead of us and that is a bombshell. I know people love their dogs But no where will a scholl take in a pitbull for a service dog.

Ray said...

I can go on the computer and order all kinds of stuff saying I have a service dog. I wish we that have a true service animal has to have something more then just a vest. To those that are are disable and try to break the law I would like to see a stiff fine and the lose of there animal. The world is full of low lifes that like to break the law. I see it every day at diable parking and like to see more of us calling in when we see the low likes breaking the law.

Ray said...

I can go on the computer and order all kinds of stuff saying I have a service dog. I wish we that have a true service animal has to have something more then just a vest. To those that are are disable and try to break the law I would like to see a stiff fine and the lose of there animal. The world is full of low lifes that like to break the law. I see it every day at diable parking and like to see more of us calling in when we see the low likes breaking the law.

left blank said...

Captain Pat & Jordan just move in
thier is nothing they can do otherthen pay a heafty penalty to ADA and HIPPA (The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) Privacy Rule
and of corse you....
the breed or the species is not relevant.

Pits make fantastic service animals
and the bonus is the dog is safer from attack from crewel peoples actions and always leaves plenty of elbow room to-boote from people unfounded fears.

I have a boxer that is aways question, due to him not being a lab, golden or a shepard, His unusual tall size and boxer strain of german decent mistakes him for a pit or mix of some sort.

We always stand our ground on where we live, where i shop, etc

L said...

Hi, I have a great dane that I have trained as my service animal he is the only dog large enough to handle my body weight... I am a Vet who is now being medically retired for having Chronic Pain Syndrome and a truck load of other pain and mobility issues. I have followed all of the state and Fed guidelines for training and testing my dogs temperment and 'manners', so can anyone tell me what the stigma or issue is with my service animal not being purchased from a facility?

Richard said...

We have a non-pet section in our community and residents are going out and purchasing pets that live in this area and they are not handicapped nor are the animals considered service animals under the current definition. Is a service animal allowed by law for companionship or must you be classified as handicapped or mentality challenged.

Richard said...

We have a non-pet section in our community and residents are going out and purchasing pets that live in this area and they are not handicapped nor are the animals considered service animals under the current definition. Is a service animal allowed by law for companionship or must you be classified as handicapped or mentality challenged.

Richard said...

We have a non-pet section in our community and residents are going out and purchasing pets that live in this area and they are not handicapped nor are the animals considered service animals under the current definition. Is a service animal allowed by law for companionship or must you be classified as handicapped or mentality challenged.

2DogMom said...

You MUST be handicapped and have a NEED for a SERVICE ANIMAL; they cannot be pets. If not, everyone in the world would qualify their pet as a service animal and the stores and restaurants would be full of animals. YOU must have a DISABILITY and your animal must be stringent requirements and perform tasks that better your life, etc. I have two service animals and had them tested, they are also registered with SARA and have a Service Animal Registry Number and any place of business can call and VERIFY that in fact MY dogs are LEGIT. However, paperwork is NOT required by the law. If you just googled "Service Animals Federal Laws" you should be able to answer ALL of your questions or send them additional questions.

2DogMom said...

For wuff: You can get ID tags and register your dog with SARA at SARA.org (service animal registry of america) and you send them a completed form as to what your service dog does for you, your disability, photo, etc and they send you wallet cards and you can purchase patches, etc for your carrier to make your life easier. It is NOT required by law, at all; however, it sure does help and I do believe that there should be some type of regulation over the system so that we can stop the fraud. If the govt is not going to do it, then we are going to have to do it ourselves and therefore make our lives easier when walking into public restaurants, etc. I just show them the 4x6 laminated card that is attached to the carrier and no one bothers me again. Now, if I could just get everyone to understand NOT to pet them when they are working - EDUCATION!

michael mirando said...

Help! We are moving to Cocoa Beach, FLA. and Condo limits the size/weight of dogs. Ours exceeds these. It is a trained and licensed Therapy Dog {in Ohio}. We are not ourselves handicapped{just a bit old}. The dog is widely brought to nursing homes, hospitals, schools etc.

Gilda said...

Registries don't mean anything when it comes to meaning a service dog is "real" or not. Registries exist to make you feel better and to take your hard earned money from you.

Federal Law trumps state law. And don't forget to read the Amended Americans With Disabilities Act.

http://www.ada.gov/svcabrs3.pdf

yourskincarespecialist said...

I find "some" comments not only ignorant but discriminatory. The ADA has come a long way baby and it's about time. "These people" (I assume the poster was refering to people with dissabilities)are entitiled to be treated with the same respect and dignity as non handicapped people.

There will always be a minority who willfully break a law however, it is not the majority. The "doorman firing" story was ridiculous; he/she was within the law and could have sued their employer and won.

If you want to play the service dog police...be prepared to face charges and or lawsuits "if" you are wrong.

People are in far more danger of drunk drivers breaking the law than a dog in a grocery store on a leash or in a carrier. Just "one" drink and you are over the legal limit. Would you also like to be the "alcohol police?"

Pick your battles (annoyances, judgements, etc) more wisely before you end up picking on the wrong disabled person...

Perhaps you'd rather see FL require service dog accredidation and WHO would pay for that? Tax payers? Yep!

2DogMom said...

Federal Law, Department of Justice states that NO Service Dog is required to have ANY certification, paperwork, etc. If you google Service Dog Laws you can very easily find the accurate site created by the GOVERNMENT that states the rules as it will have the letters .gov as part of the address and then you know you are at the CORRECT SITE; very simple to do and all the information is out there!

Patricia said...

But I want to TRAIN a service dog. I am not disabled, but I want to train a dog for someone who is. I have already ordered a service vest for the dog online. What more are my requirements?

monica620 said...

This weekend I was at a Florida State Park with my service dog. I was approuched by a county employee that threatend me with a fine cause he stated my dog did not look like a service dog due to her size. He went looking for local authority that when i explained to him what had happened he appologized but I felt that an invasion of my privacy had occured since I am epileptic and there is no law that states I have to make it known to the public nor is there a law that states that my service dog must wear a vest at all times regardless of the weather. I feel that is an abuse to our service dog that if we ourselves wear light clothing on very hot days why should she have to wear her vest? I find that both local or state run facilities as well as private companies should train there employees in such a way they do not sound ignorant but are aware that they could find themselves in a middle of a law suit.

bill said...

I am going to use my two dogs as service animals. Since I don't need ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER that I have an affliction requiring them, I will take them into a restaurant and seat one on either side of me. Remember, I can't be denied equal service, so I will order for them as well. One hamburger extra rare for each should do nicely. All the owner of the restaurant has a right to do is ask me questions. I will say I'm nuts, OK? I need the dogs to keep me from going completely whacko, that will be my disability.

bill said...

I was on the Gulf beaches next to the surf when a woman walked by with her dog loose and running to and fro. I found it irritating because I cannot bring my animals out and do what she was doing and I told her so. She replied that it was a service animal and that is the only way she could exercise it. I watched it chase the ibises and gulls and I thought this can't be right. But now I am not so sure. This looks like one great big loophole in the law to me and I think it is impossible to determine who is telling the truth without some documentation.

bill said...

I called just now and talked with a Pinellas county deputy and he said that the owner DOES have to show documentation. But as for the dog running free on the beach, that is a judgment call on the part of the deputy. Result: grin and bear it. So I will now go and get my "documentation" and join the scofflaws. After all, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Meg said...

I have had a trained service dog for several years. I must say that the reactions that some people have to a service dog is amazing. Before I get to sit down I am often "attacked" with "You can't bring that in here" before I can open my mouth!!! The dog is very well behaved and once placed in a position and given the stay command he does not move. Unlike people I sit next to who can not sit still for 5 minutes!!! The dog NEVER eats in a restaurant and will not even ask!!!! He is trained to detect seizures and is dedicated to doing his JOB. I feel upset when people are mean and often nasty to me because I have the dog with me. I also have a PET dog that likes to play and eat from the table and act like a dog. What bothers me more than anything is the attitude of people who think that they are responsible for asking questions and telling me what I can and can not do with my service animal. One man was so mean I got up and left and then realized that I was not going to let him ruin my right to sit and enjoy a show. SO I went back in! No matter what laws are passed or what states do there is always going to be some one who is going to try and abuse the system. It works that way for everything. Just look at handicapped parking hangers. There are so many handicapped spaces and not enough for the people who really need it!No matter what you have to have integrity. Many people do not but that does not give anyone the right to question me about my disability (what it is, how it effects me, what the dog does, how does he do it)that is private information and not subject to questioning in public with the main objective being humiliation. I try to be a good person and do good things for others. I would never question anyone about their disability because it's not my business.

Faith4ever said...

My husband has a Legal Service Dog. With documentation, tag and all the works. I don't find it irritating to provide ID or proof of the dogs registration when required. I do find it overwhelmed when people abuse of the situation. If you don't have anything to hide be an open book. Some way we must stop people that love to live in fraud lives more complicated.

dianawaldo said...

I have a Medical Alert service dog..i have worked as an exotic animal trainer for Ringling Bros.Circus World, and with the Birds of Prey and Reptile Discovery Program at Cypress Gardens Theme parks performing educational shows and have even done television shows for MGM and Universal Studios in Orlando Fl so my background in animal care has been quite extensive.

I had over 20 years of studying animal behavior under my belt but my Catahoula Leopard Dog, Fishbait was about to teach me a whole new bag of tricks! Because it wasnt long before i noticed that right before I had a siezure, Fishbait knew it first!!

He would come over and push me away from the stove and I would turn it off and go lay down.Then I would have a siezure! I would be sitting down and he wouldnt let me up....he knew I was going to have a siezure!

Then came the day that I had one while taking a shower..I woke up in the bottom of the tub, and he was standing over me blocking the water from my face...ice cold water! All the hot water had ran out because I had been out so long! I had a bump on my head from hitting my head ...he was shivering and very uncomfortable but he still remained with me..and he had been in the living room when i went in the bathroom ...he was 7-8 months old then...we were alone at home.

He has pulled me out of traffic when I had a siezure..the ambulence got there and the ppl who saw it said they were scared to get me out of the road because of the cars but my dog grabbed me by my arm and my head and pulled me from the road.

I was in the hospital having an MRI done and Fishbait was in another room with the technician and when the test was almost over all of a sudden he started whining and ran to the door and began scratching at it and going crazy...i had just gotten over pneumonia a few weeks before than and my lungs had started filling up with fluid again...and even from another room with the door closed between us and me in the MRI tube Fishbait could tell I was in respitory distress..and he was telling the technician i needed help and that he needed to get to me.

So now Fishbait is not just a siezure alert dog, He is a Medical Alert Dog...he smells my breath sometimes and I know he is checking me for all kinds of things.

dianawaldo said...

oh and one more thing..about service dog laws....if a person claims there pet is a service dog just so they can take it out in public...then that dog has to perform the actions of a service dog when its supposed to.

for instance...if i just said my dog was a siezure alert dog and when i had that siezure that threw me out in the busy intersection in downtown tallahassee...well, if my dog was just a pet, he wouldnt have pulled me out of the path of that dump truck.

they also have to be well behaved..however siezure dogs dont always act like quide dogs..most of the time when i ride the city bus Fishbait sits on the floor under my seat..however if i sick or disoriented from meds he may move up to sit beside me on the seat. He has also done this when i was having problems with status seizures..(generalized siezures or staring seizures) I simply alerted the bus driver as to what was going on) The best way to tell what was going on with me was to watch my dog.

poisionedbythefangsofdarknesss said...

I am so sick of hearing people saying we need to prove our animal are service animals. What next you going to have to carry an i.d proving your a male or female, or gay or straight or bi sexual. Or proof if your poor or rich. Come on grow up there are going to ignorant people there is no stopping that. It make us feel uncomfortable enough being different so why do we have to prove we are different. I have heart problems as well as agoraphobia and ptsd. My medical dog helps me live life such as helping me around people and is trained to bark for help or go and get help if signs of heart problems occur or even if faint. Just leave our animals alone. And stop trying to make it harder for us to survive. Many people can not afford all the training, vest or id and crap other people want us to get.

donna said...

Good grief people!!!! I have raised 5 children and have 6 grandchildren-- most dogs I know I would rather have in a restaurant I am eating than screaming kids that are allowed to get down and run through the restaurant while the parents get drunk!!! I love children but my dogs have never thrown up on the table, spilled a drink or thrown a hissy fit!!! Besides as long as they don't mess in the floor what is the problem

Karen said...

I am blind and moved to FLorida many years ago. My Dr prescribed a comfort dog for me because of many health issues. I live in a park that does not allow dogs unless approved by the Park's Board of Directors, even though we own our property. They have forbidden me walking my dog anywhere but on our 2 ft. space around the two sides and back of the house. They sent me a letter to that effect and listed a Florida law stating I could be fined $100 to $1000 for failure to abide by this order. Can anyone tell me if this is discrimination against a service dog and if there is anything I can do. This dog needs exercise that is not related to it's service to me all the time.

left blank said...

A servies dog needs phyical and mental stimulation which is required for it to perform. The order does not pertain to the service dog,
As long as you and an apointed helper or helper if you are to ill are with the dog the dog can walk where ever you wish to walk it, that is as long as it is on a 6-8 foot leash. C
This is discrimination against a person with disability's wit ha service dog. Service dogs dont have right per say.. its the handlers and the helpers to the handlers.... Physical and emotional pain on the other hand is a right a service animal has to protect it from morons

Golden Wonders said...

I am working with a wonderful trainer who is helping me train two fantastic golden retrievers for service work. I am disabled and need the services of both. However, we have a neighbor that constantly taunts them when they are in our fenced back yard to exercise, potty and play. He is practically "undoing" thier training as they are now rushing up to the fence. He is hostile, yells profanities and taunts the dogs. Today he riled them up and I gave the ignore command, and they came running back inside. Good doggies. But what I did notice was that he was video taping them and taking pictures of them running up to the fence, which he is causing. I know that eventually they will not do this at all, but it is alot harder to untrain than to train. They used to NEVER do this. He has buried glass in his yard to keep his dog from diggging. He is violent and has been arrested several times for domestic abuse with a weapon. I am concerned for the protection of my two dogs. In addition, both goldens are being trained to assist with activities at Nemour's Children Hospital. Alot is being invested in them. I called the police, but they said there is nothing that can be done because they aren't children. They can be photographed without my permission, and unless he kills them or physically harms them, there is nothing they can do to stop his taunting that is interfering with their training. I showed him the statues, but the police said it didn't apply. The officer also asked if had all the documentation for them as service dogs AND if I had proof of disability. (I do, and I carry that doctor's note with me everywhere because the vertigo is so horrible and is stress induced, I can't be alone or in confrontation situations). I don't know why it is okay for my dogs to be subjected to this verbal abuse. They are very smart pups. And they bark at the man now allthe time. Nobody else, just him. Is there anything I can do to protect them? They are my access to the world. The VA is helping to fund them for the Nemour's project. Anybody got any info? I live in central florida area. thanks! ucfgold

left blank said...

I asked members of http://servicedogcentral.org/forum/ about your problem
you can join in the conversations by registering. but this is what i got so far>

Just tell her not to let the dogs out unsupervised. If she's there with them she can counter anything the man can say or do on his side of the fence that might affect their training.

Im sure thats not exactly what you were looking for but perhaps if you join and introduce your self you could post under that and see if you get any further help. hope all gets better for you and your dogs. I experienced that same thing but we rented and we moved. --

http://servicedogcentral.org/forum/

the question was posted here after you join and log on
http://servicedogcentral.org/forum/index.php

with the title of -- words of wisdome for someone who posted looking for just that

under the cadigory of - Posts General Discussion >
< Chit Chat >

left blank said...

if u havent cked out the site another comment was left... I posted a link here but i dont see anyone as of yet that has posted here yet

>If she is not always able to go outside with them, then even just one at a time out on a long line (washline is ok) while she stays at the open door holding the line. This way she can make sure they don't go over to the fence. I would not want them too close anyway in case he would toss something over to harm them.

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three more comments from http://servicedogcentral.org/forum/index.php/topic,15352.0/topicseen.html pertaining to your question
Service dog Central- : words of wisdom for someone who posted looking for just that

>to add another layer of fence. On the side where the people would torment these dogs we put up an additional layer of fence; chicken wire, about 3 feet from the chain link that had the turd on the other side. This kept the dogs from being on the fence within his reach. They did bark, but the guy could no longer get to them and he actually stopped once he could no longer actually touch the dogs.
I wonder if putting up a wooden fence would be too costly for this person. Also, how about letting the dogs out then standing there with a video camera to catch his actions on film? That could work as a deterrant knowing it isn't just her word against his. If he is moving at the dogs with a weapon the cops might find it easier to deal with. Also, she should go make out a complaint at the cop shop. Get as many of these incidents on paper so she has the documentation. Aren't there any laws on the books to protect SDs from this sort of thing?

If she can't afford to put up a wooden fence, maybe she could have more height put on it so this joker can't reach them. What a horrible position to be in.


>Try to take legal action, and usually you only aggravate the situation. Make the other guy even more angry, more vindictive, and sneakier so he doesn't get caught. Supervise your dogs, and the risk to them is significantly decreased. Is the primary objective to keep the dogs safe or to win the dispute? Seriously, which option would you choose for your own dog?

>I agree with the video camera idea. Even if it had no film in it, just the threat of having his behavior and threats on film might snap him out of it. The threat to a service dog in our state is enough for a 1k fine. If it is on film, that he instigates any behaviors, then she has her dogs covered should they react and he tried to press charges. (in the least) At the most she could take that film and show he is causing disterbances in the neighborhood which causes problems for her to live peacibly. (is that a word?) If they can look at it from another legal angle, such as her rights... rather then a dog, there may still be charges they can persue. If there are no laws to protect a service animal.

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the subject has been posted as a question here on facebook... ck it out as it progresses.../ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Service-Dog-Central/119992161391220?sk=wall

bob said...

First of all you have to have a disability. The burden of proof is on you. I have a service dog to help me with my PTSD. Got a letter from the psych and have no problem showing it if it gets that far. My dog has nothing identifying marks. I have had to train alot of businesses. I give a copy of doj's meaning of service dogs.

Jerseygirl22 said...

Anyone who would present their pet as a service dog is really asking for some BAD KARMA. Believe me it is not easy to take a dog with you everywhere you go and keep it immaculate!!! No one would want an intimate nite out and have to take a dog along for fun!! First of all a "pet" is not trained to lay quietly on the floor of a restaurant...quite often when I get up after a meal people around me say "where did that dog come from?" yes he was under the table the whole time. He does not bark in public unless he knows I am about to have a seizure. I am tired of explaining this to people who are just trying to make trouble or cause a scene. If you see a dog in a purse or a one that is causing a scene THAT is NOT a service dog. I visit the same businesses all the time and most people who work there know me and welcome us to their place of business. I would be happy to change places with someone who thinks having a medical condition like this is fun!!! I am thankful for my service dog everyday so next time you see anyone with a service dog remember that there is a medical reason they have the dog.
Under the ADA law and the most recent update in March 2011:

"Examples of work or tasks include, but are not limited to, assisting individuals who are
blind or have low vision with navigation and other tasks,
alerting individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing to the presence of people or sounds,providing non-violent protection or rescue work,
pulling a wheelchair,assisting an individual during a seizure,
alerting individuals to the presence of allergens,retrieving items such as medicine or the telephone,providing physical support and assistance with balance and stability to individuals with mobility disabilities,helping persons with psychiatric and neurological disabilities by preventing or interrupting impulsive or destructive behaviors (Autism)

(Therapy Dog)
An animal´s presence and the provision of emotional support, well-being, comfort, or companionship DO NOT constitute work or tasks for the purposes of this definition."
http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

glenn said...

Since Federal law superscedes state/local service animal law the state and local laws can not be more restrictive for disabled people with service animals. They must be equal or less restrictive for the disabled.
For all the ney sayers and complainers, what you want or feel the law needs to be does not matter.
Cut the disabled some slack and mind your own business. Be thankful you do not have a disability.

Dave Meador said...

My daughter has a vested and certified service dog. We were told to get out of a store on Longboat Key. The retailer is KK's Artique. The owner said, "all service dogs pee" and "this is private property" and "get out -- what don't you understand?"

we are filing complaints with the police, the FHRC and the State Attorney General's Office

Sandman1 said...

These laws are too vague. These passionate proponents that are special people who take their flea infested, disease ridden, nasty animals into public places should have the animals taken and given a stiff fine. Also they should be given community service at a training fascility for real working dogs! You are pathetic, selfish, and dispicable. Shame on you ang your Gucci dog carrier you idiot

Cassie Banks said...

http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/0413.08 - They've changed the laws in Florida regarding service animals. "A public accommodation may ask if an animal is a service animal or what tasks the animal has been trained to perform in order to determine the difference between a service animal and a pet." So basically it violates your privacy regarding health information. What else do you expect from a state as corrupt as Florida?

Matthew Hinton said...

There is no federal law requiring any certificate for your service dog. Read the guideline under ADA website.

Matthew Hinton said...

Service dogs are used for people who are disabled. A dog used for companionship or comfort is not the same thing and does not qualify as a service dog under the ADA rules.

Matthew Hinton said...

The association is correct. They have a right to approve a pet. BUT, your service dog is NOT a pet. He/she is a working service dog and NOT a pet. They can not deny you or charge you a pet fee. Please read the ADA rules for service animals

Matthew Hinton said...

Sorry. Therapy dogs are not service dogs and don't qualify under ADA rules

Matthew Hinton said...

There is no federal law requiring any certificate for your service dog. Read the guideline under ADA website.

Deb Ontheweb said...

Today I was shopping in a grocery and someone passed me with a small dog in the child seat of another shopping cart. I believe someone should create a cart that can be used for service dogs that are separate from general shopping carts with a child seat. I understand that stores offer wipes, but I never considered someone putting their animal in the same space where a child's bare legs or where my quick purchase of food would sit. It totally upsets me that a dog's unclean butt is permitted in the same place where my food may sit. I think the owners of service dogs should be required to bring covering. I understand that regulations state that you don't have to identify your animal as a service animal, but too many people who have pocket pets are using your regulations to keep their animals by their side. The ADA and owners of service animals have a responsibility to protect users of service animals. By not having clear legislation, it creates situations where individuals or business would challenge an animal in a store. Rather than looking for a fight from people who challenge an animal in an inappropriate place for a pet, use that energy to make it better for people who need these animals. A bright colored tag for service animal would be sufficient for anyone seeing the animal. My uncle was blind and his Seeing Eye dog in his harness was easily identifiable as a dog working. People knew not to pet. A few rules of etiquette about service animals would build better understanding and make it easier for everyone. Registration of a service animal, tag and some basic etiquette rules would make things significantly easier on both the user of a service animal and someone shocked at seeing the animal in a grocery store, restaurant or movie. The responsibility is on the owner of the service animal and the agencies who support their use.

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Tigerdmw said...

I have a service dog, he is a rat terrier about 18lbs. When I go into a grocery store I always put him in the "child" seat area of the cart. Please trust me when I say that my dog is cleaner than MOST of the children that sit in that same seat. I try to remember to bring a mat for him to sit on (the seat is cold and often those plastic things are broken or gone) but don't always remember. I have tried to just let him walk beside the cart but that is a nightmare! People just don't pay attention. He has been kicked, stepped on, ran over by carts, you name it. Of course then there are those who freak out when they see a dog walking in the store and can be very abusive about it. I can't tell you how many times I've been accosted by managers and patrons alike for having him there. When he is in the cart I find that many people don't even notice him. I tell him to down and he lays on my purse and is flat with the cart. I would LOVE to let him walk, it's much healthier for him than to ride all the time but his safely is paramount to me. Please understand that using a service dog isn't "fun". It's not like taking a dog to a park to play. You get constant badgering from the public about it and have to modify your daily life to keep them with you. If anyone out there thinks using a servic dog is fun, PLEASE come hang out with me for just one day and hear all that I deal with. I promise you will never think that way again.

aliengeek said...

Wow. Some of you are really evil and obviously discriminate against the disabled. Walk a mile in our shoes before you start telling us what to do. Isn't it bad enough insurance companies restrict treatments, now we have this? Grow up people and get off the internet. Clearly the people who make these decisions are elected officials, not anti-disabled nazi's. I will PROMISE if it were your MOT
HER you would fight just like we are.

chalkangel4u said...

I just found out FL where I live does not recognize Psychiatric Service Dogs. My own dog has intuitively learned to alert to panic attacks, provides pressure therapy when I'm depressed, alerts to people approaching the house, which helps with my PTSD. I've found a place that would teach her to find my car in a parking lot. I get confused and then go into a panic attack, She makes sure I exercise by taking her for a walk. I have fibromyalgia. I'd like her to nudge me when my morning med alarm goes off. It is the only dose I dread, therefore I need prodding. I'd also like her trained to lead me to a safe place when I'm having an anxiety attack in public, like a bathroom, or bench outside. I don't leave my house because I'm terrified of having an anxiety attack. I don't see why FL is the only state that would not recognize this task oriented dog as a service dog. So sad that I will have to move.

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Jorisinflorida said...

Well, I'm a 63 yr old disabled veteran and I'm in here reading all these comments, yet there are no responses. Why not? If we leave a comment with questions, isn't this web page a place where someone answers those questions? Because if not, it seems like a huge waste of time. We're disabled, we need service dog status for our dog... what do we need to do to keep people from pestering us when we try to bring our dog in a business with us? My dog is extremely well behaved, and everyone loves him. He helps me just before my blood sugar skyrockets, and keeps me safe. He comforts me when I'm overdosing on stress and having anxiety attacks. He is protection from thugs who see me as an otherwise easy target. Without him I can't go far from home. With him I have life again, and can go on like I did when I was younger, not worrying about things as much, because I know how alert he is to me needs. He's as insecure without me as I am without him. Isn't there anyone on this web page who can answer questions? Or did you just put it up here and then ignore it altogether? Sorry, but I've been in a legal battle with the V.A. for over 7 1/2years and they've made my life hell, and won't answer my questions since we're in a legal battle. I'm on SSD and barley making it, I live on my small boat with my dog because it's the cheapest place I've found, and without this I'd be homeless again. And I'm not some lackey, I worked in engineering at Kennedy Space Center for most of my 22+ years career, and served honorably during the Vietnam war. I just want service connection for my dog so we can stop being harassed by negative busybodies.

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J-Zim-Shad G-Shad said...

Service dogs should never truly be protection only alerts to you or to gain attention if there is an emergency. when in a business walk in confident with a well trained dog that blends in to the surroundings and listens and takes directions verbally or by signals and u should be fine